Wednesday, November 3, 2021

Mass Movements and Self-Disdain

 (Thummim's notes from reading The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements)


My thoughts on mass movements engendering disdain for self:


"The Fall" and "The Natural Man"

Both teach you there is something fundamentally flawed about your existence.


With the fall, it's something completely outside your ability to "solve/cure"

Only the "org" provides the solution for that (Jesus)


But Jesus is withheld based on obedience to the org, so they are the gatekeepers to your not being "flawed"


With the Natural Man, that is within our power to influence

So a "battle" is created, lines are drawn

But, again, the org tells you what kind of thoughts and actions come from the Natural Man, so again, obedience to their set of values/world view is required for "freedom"


This is a thought that's been rolling around in my head for a few months: "is it better to make someone think they're in a war when they're not, or to make someone think they're NOT in a war when they are?"


The answer, of course, is "neither" is best, but if you had to choose one, which would you?

Which would leave a worse psychological scar?


This question reminds me of Pascal's Wager (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager)

Where he posits that you stand to lose less believing in God than in running the risk of going to hell/missing out on Heaven


But, I wonder if that's practically true considering the psychological fallout of God based belief systems...

(Such as hindering ambition/self-confidence)


(And belief in intrinsic worth, not bestowed by an outside source, such as "being a child of God" as an example of worth being subtly linked to God rather than wholly intrinsic)


If you're constantly seeking rebirth, you may miss out on living your actual life.


It's funny cuz I still get red flag mental warnings exploring these thoughts because they echo the rhetoric of "antichrists" in the BoM.


(Religion produces a fanatical mind)


"Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But behold, it is the effect of a ​​​frenzied​ mind; and this derangement of your minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a belief of things which are not so" Alma 30:16


That's Korihor


Nehor's philosophy is interesting, but he gives it in a larger context of acknowledging a fundamental need for redemption, but not going so far as to say "you have never been broken" - he just says "Free salvation for all!"


"they need not fear nor tremble, but that they might lift up their heads and rejoice; for the Lord had created all men, and had also redeemed all men; and, in the end, all men should have eternal life" Alma 1:4


One thing the True Believer book points out is that mass movements evolve from early idealist passion to late bureaucracy and stuffy formalism.


I definitely see that in the study of church history. The early church was super raw and not much like the "lawyers in suits" church of today (to good and bad effect on both ends of history)


But the page I posted links that change to an internal shift from self-sacrificing ideals to self-interest... when people start using the movement to advance their position/career, (aspiring to be general authorities) the movement has lost something of its initial core appeal/idealism/vigor.


I also thought the proposed link between being self-hating and being judgmental (minding other peoples' business) was interesting at the end of that page.


I keep having the image of the Morpheus (from the Matrix) meme come into my head with the caption: "What if I told you... there is no war to fight and that you are already whole?"



But the matrix is a good example of telling someone they're NOT in a war when they actually are.


Are there any good examples from books/pop culture where it's the opposite? Telling someone they're in a war when they're not actually? If you stretch the definition, Star Trek TNG "inner light" might fit (where Picard lives a life trying to save a planet that's long dead).


Seems like it usually goes the other way... Truman Show, Ender's Game...


We, culturally, seem to have a good bead on the "fool's paradise" stance/story.


My current hunch is that the "you were never in a war" revelation, while immediately relieving (like waking from a bad dream), would feel like the orchestrators of the illusion were much more manipulative than the inverse scenario.

My Temple Recommend

(Thummim wrote this after having a meeting with his Stake President about being "re-fellowshipped" into the church in which the Stake President denied the re-fellowshipment stating that the church's temple recommend questions couldn't be answered "correctly" by Thummim)

My Temple Recommend

Umwelt: German word meaning “The world as it is experienced by a particular organism” - used to refer to the quality of a living organism’s experience of reality. A great podcast about “umwelt:” (https://after-on.com/episodes/022)


Example: How a bat “understands” reality via sonar and has never lived underwater vs. a mantis shrimp (https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/segments/211178-rip-rainbow) that has a small brain but 16 color-receptive cones in its eyes and never lived on land vs. a human who has a relatively large brain, but no sonar and only 3 color-receptive cones and a life lived almost-entirely on land.


Much of my experience with society, and especially the church, has encouraged me to “adjust” my thoughts and beliefs to a “standard” mould. To think “convergently” (tending to come together) rather than “divergently” (different, deviating). Ideas that deviate from the mainstream generally (and understandably) cause church-goers (and people in-general) to feel uncomfortable and potentially threatened. I believe, though, that growth most-often occurs from such discomforting circumstances. I have tried to become more aware of my personal tendency to put up walls of “protection” and defensiveness when my beliefs are challenged or alternate points of view are offered. Ultimately, this is always an enriching, expanding experience (despite the discomfort).


The LDS temple recommend (or “worthiness” interview) process is a unique example of an implicit expectation for “convergent” thinking since there are “right” and “wrong” answers laid out in black and white (or so most interviewers and interviewees believe). I’ve been on both sides of the temple recommend table as interviewee and interviewer and been a part of discussions with other interviewers about their experience with administering temple recommend interviews. Anecdotally, it is rare for anyone to provide more than a few sentences for each question, and most of the time only single words (the “right” words) are offered.


There is often an “unspoken” understanding during a temple recommend interview that both people are operating within the same “umwelt” and that the interviewee’s definitions of the temple recommend words are the same as the interviewer’s, but more importantly, that they are both “in tune” with “God’s” definitions of these words (ie: “the truth”). I have found that most church members tend to have a strong belief in “absolute truth” (likely in no small part due to the talk given by Spencer W. Kimball titled “Absolute Truth” https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/spencer-w-kimball/absolute-truth/). There are other scriptures and talks that support this idea of “things as they really are” and the belief that, the closer you are to God, the closer you are to the one, true, “umwelt.”


I appreciate the ideal of seeking to approach “absolute truth,” but I believe most people (myself included), and regardless of calling in the church, overestimate their proximity to this truth. The point is moot though because the irony is that, when I have high-confidence that I have “the answers” to the questions of life, I am less capable of learning and growth than someone who believes they don’t know or are lacking knowledge (see the Dunning-Krueger effect/bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect). The uncomfortable, labor-intensive, state of questioning is the foundation of humility and growth. When answers are embraced as definitive and absolute, learning ends.


In Buddhism this is called “Shoshin” the “Beginner Mind” and is encouraged when studying any subject, despite one’s expertise in the field. A beginner mind is curious, accepting, open-minded, comfortable with not knowing, questioning of assumptions, sees unlimited possibilities - its primary energy is expansive. It stands in contrast to the “Judging Mind” which is protective (focused on the negative and “what could go wrong?”), judgmental, cynical, uses “should” language, critical, close-minded, know-it-all, focused on “fixing,” blame-oriented, black-and-white, limits possibilities, views mistakes as "bad” instead of stepping stones to experience and knowledge - its primary energy is restrictive.


Truly understanding a person’s beliefs (epistemology - from the Greek - ἐπίστασθαι “To know, understand, or be acquainted with”) is an, unfortunately, impossible task that is limited on many levels (unique life experiences, genetics, birth order, sensory perceptions, health, socio-economics, thought processes, word definitions, education, etc.) No matter how good at listening and empathy a person is, a communication session will always end up with all parties capturing only a limited portion of the intent and content of the others’ beliefs. Both sides will take knowledge away only as filtered through their unique umwelt. There is no “perfect” communion. This, I believe, is an important thing to remember during a temple (or worthiness) interview.


Rarely does a temple recommend interviewer ask deeper questions to try to get into the “umwelt” of the interviewee. If they did, they would likely first encounter the “standard” agreed-upon, “convergent” umwelt that is communally-shared amongst church members. However, if the interviewer were to dig even deeper, and take on a much-more-serious responsibility, perhaps to form a friendship of deep trust with the interviewee, they would discover that underneath the first few layers of shared umwelt is an umwelt wholly unique to that individual - a perspective that diverges from everyone else. Wouldn’t it be nice if church leaders had the bandwidth to engage each and every person at this level? Usually, though, they don’t have the time/energy to assume the responsibility of deeply empathizing with an interviewee. This necessitates faith in a higher power and trust/confidence in the interviewee to be engaging productively with their personal umwelt.


Is the top-level “communal” umwelt valid? Probably, but it is not necessarily as “rigorously-honest,” on a personal level, as we like to tell ourselves. There is an implicit understanding that we’re discussing the tip of an iceberg and, yeah, there’s a lot of stuff under the surface, but most interviewers trust the interviewee to have solid reasoning beneath their simple “yes” or “no” answers. That trust has a kind beauty to it.


One issue (I’ve experienced personally on both sides) is when an interviewer picks up the responsibility to know the interviewee’s deeper umwelt (a daunting and impossible challenge even for the best of people) and discovers that it does not match their own, and by presumptive transference, is not in accord with the “absolute truth” or “umwelt of God.” When this happens, the interviewer can become a “Judging Mind” gatekeeper that builds a wall of exclusion rather than a larger table accommodating of a differing perspective. It becomes easy for the interviewer to forget that their own perspective on “truth” (including personal interpretation of “doctrine”) is as-limited as the interviewee and that both points-of-view are equally-valid (though both are wholly-incomplete). In an attempt to “steady the ark” the interviewer substitutes their own umwelt as the “one true” umwelt. 


The following is my attempt to express, with rigorous honesty, my current umwelt (which is, intentionally, in a constant state of flux as I continue to try to be open to new ideas) as it relates to the first four LDS temple-recommend questions. Why the first four? Because they are in the sticky arena of “epistemology” (belief rather than action) and are most-likely to cause conflicts between the interviewer’s and the interviewee’s umwelts. A big part of this will be spent “defining” terms, likely in a non-traditional (though, I believe valid) way. My sincere hope is that there is a fully-fellowshipped place at the table of LDS belief for me and my point of view: 


  • 1) Do you have faith in and a testimony of God, the Eternal Father; His Son, Jesus Christ; and the Holy Ghost?
  • Short Answer: Yes
  • Detailed Answer: 
    • Faith - My definition: a belief without proof. I interpret this as leaving possibilities open.
    • Testimony - My definition: a religious conversion or experience. I believe “testimonies,” in a religious context, are largely emotion-based. I value emotions, but do not rely on them as indicators of absolute “truth,” but believe they can help point us toward people, experiences, and ideas that are useful/helpful/growing/healing to us and which may push us toward an expanded umwelt. I do not believe a person must believe such “testimony” experiences to indicate literal truth, but rather as pointers toward things that are beneficial/helpful to that person. I do not conflate “goodness” with literal truth. Example: reading about Levin in Tolstoy’s Anna Karenina is deeply inspiring to me and instructs me (provides me with a “testimony”) about what I value - however I do not believe Levin was a real person.
    • God - My definition: the ideal version of myself. This idea is an internal drive for excellence and improvement. Is there the possibility of an organizing force behind reality? I don’t believe that possibility can be entirely ruled out (faith). God, to me, is a sense of amazement and wonder at the many things about reality, existence, consciousness, and beauty, that defy logical explanation. God is the sense that “there’s more out there I don’t understand.” I believe “Eternal Father” is one title that limited humankind has given to this force. I believe “Divine Feminine” is also an important piece of “God.” I believe there are other equally-valid titles for “God” (also limited by the foibles of limited human umwelts) such as “Allah,” “Vishnu,” “YHWH,” “Elohim,” “Adonai,” “Wisdom (Sofia)”, etc. Sometimes I like to call it “Big Good” (stolen from this awesome podcast: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/match-made-in-marrow)
    • His Son Jesus Christ: I believe the “divine Jesus” (Christ = Messiah/anointed one/king) is a symbol for perfect empathy - an expression of mankind’s deep-seated need for understanding and being “seen,” loved, and accepted for one’s own, natural, intrinsic, identity. His story calls to humankind to leave behind bitterness, judgement, grudge-holding, and the idea that love must be earned and to reject our natural leaning to only bestow love/approval when a person fits a specific mould. I think there is significance to the narrative of his “son-ship” as an example that we, ourselves, are “offspring” of the “God Ideal” and that, as a son has the DNA of his parents, the potential for divinity, goodness, and value reside naturally within us.
    • The Holy Ghost - My definition: There is a collective set of needs, drives, desires, and aspirations shared amongst all humankind. These are communicated in subtle ways, often non-verbally, between friends, associates, family-members, and society as a whole. One “name” for this communicative power can be “The Holy Ghost” - but there are other names, like instinct, ambition, empathy, kindness, intuition, duty, the gut, etc. Is it possible that there is a super-natural (read as “not yet understood”) component to this communication? Yes, I leave the possibility open. Is it ok to call it “The Holy Ghost?” Yes.
    • So yes, I leave open the possibility (faith) for these things, and even embrace and value the ideals they represent, but leave quite a bit of room for others’ beliefs and don’t pretend to know any of these, largely-unprovable, things with a high-level of certainty.
       
  • 2) Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and of His role as your Savior and Redeemer?
  • Short Answer: Yes
  • Detailed Answer:
    • See definition of “testimony” from answer 1.
    • Atonement - My definition: This is a component of the Jesus narrative that I appreciate deeply. I believe every person has a deep need to feel absolution for mistakes they’ve made and damage they’ve done to others. To me, the Atonement is a belief-structure that aids individuals to psychically “let go” of the past and to undergo healing for giving/receiving mental trauma. This “permission” to forgive oneself is healing to societies. The belief that humans also should move on and forgive others, even for seemingly-impossible situations, is also beneficial. I believe that, for most people who have committed or endured especially difficult levels of trauma, it is necessary for them to have an “equal and opposite” epic or super-natural “narrative” that is perceived to be sufficiently powerful to overcome the mentally taxing burden they carry. Anything that can assist a person in this kind of healing is deeply valuable.
    • My Savior/Redeemer: Both of these titles tie into the explanation of the Atonement given above. I believe that the injunction/ideal to forgive myself and to forgive others applies to me as well as to other productive, conscientious members of society. When I have sought to practice these ideals, my life has been enriched. I find the narrative beautiful, inspiring, and useful. I leave open the possibility that it is literally true (testimony/faith), but do not consider that “literality” important to my daily practice of living.
       
  • 3) Do you have a testimony of the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ?
  • Short Answer: Yes
  • Detailed Answer:
    • See definition of testimony from question 1.
    • Restoration - My Definition: I believe the LDS faith has pushed forward many helpful ideas that have contributed to human beings living good, productive, helpful, happy lives. Some of these ideas align well with concepts that were present in early versions of Christianity (the gospel/“good news” taught by Jesus). Calling that “restoration” makes sense to me. Many religions founded in early America were “restorationist” and focused on a close/careful reading of the Bible and questioning the status quo in favor of closer adherence to the text. I don’t believe the church is perfect, or that it’s even super close to how the “church” (small group of people) worked in the times of Jesus. Nor do I believe the church has a great track record of abandoning troublesome/wrong/bad ideas in a timely manner. These foibles, though, can be seen (and I choose to see them this way) as part of the beauty that goes along with participation in any organization (such as a family, a friendship, or a country). The blend of good and bad, the annoyances and frustrations, the fighting for change, the discussion of disparate ideas, the give and take of life, is constructive (this is demonstrated well in this amazing talk: https://www.eugeneengland.org/why-the-church-is-as-true-as-the-gospel) I don’t even really think the church is a whole lot better than other religions when you take the time to research the good other organizations do. I don’t believe there is a divine destiny that the church is building toward… other than a macro-level version of the “destiny” I believe in for each human individual, which is to learn, adapt, create and generally improve ourselves and contribute to “big good.” I appreciate the teaching of Paul in the New Testament about the “unity of the faith” which, I think, can be interpreted as a union of all religions/belief systems into a whole that abandons the things that divide (dogmatic doctrine) and embraces the ideals that unite.
       
  • 4) Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator and as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys?
  • Do you sustain the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators?
  • Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local leaders of the Church?
  • Short Answer: Yes (I group these 3 questions into one because my perspective is similar regardless of the level of church leadership)
  • Detailed Answer:
    • Prophet/Seer/Revelator: I believe this is a mythic term for someone deeply concerned and devoted to the leadership of a religious group (similar to the Pope or the Dalai Lama). I believe this dedication and concern provides unique insights into life. This “see”-ing of “seers” from a unique perspective, and their association with like-minded/similarly focused leaders, allows them to “reveal” perspectives for their followers’ consideration that can potentially enrich their lives (though there have been some historically short-sighted members of this group). I do sustain him in this role, mostly because of his high-level of experience within church leadership - though I do not have high confidence that he is in literal communication with a higher power any more than any other responsible, meditative, concerned human. The question of “the only person authorized” seems paranoid to me, but I don’t have a problem with the church maintaining leadership restrictions according to its internal policy.
    • Priesthood Keys: I believe “Priesthood” is a term for those who are tasked with the administrative functions of a religious organization. I don’t believe they are endowed with any extra “ability” or “power” that is not available to (again) any responsible, meditative, conscientious, concerned human. The “keys” in question, I define as the responsibility given to perform certain religious rights that have beneficial communal and personal ceremonial value which point us to “God” (as-defined above - our best, ideal, selves) and “Jesus” (as-defined above - the ideal of empathy, understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness).




       



Exclusivity

 (an email to Thummim's daughter when she was questioning the importance of the "Gift of the Holy Ghost" referred to often as GoTHG)

Exclusivity


My thoughts specifically on the topic of “exclusivity”:


I think we emphasize, or perhaps hyper-focus on, “exclusivity” in the church too much. It is obvious, from my perspective, that women regularly perform “miracles” on par with “Priesthood-holders” and that people from other faiths experience spiritual guidance and direction on par with the guidance and direction received by “those bestowed with the GoTHG.” I don’t believe it’s necessary to draw a line that undervalues the experiences of others in order to make our experiences feel more “legitimate” or “valid.” 


To be perfectly honest, the expressions of exclusion around the GoTHG, the Priesthood being only for male-gendered humans, “the only true and living church on the face of the earth with which God is well-pleased,” and “a chosen people” all give me an icky feeling (or at least feel like an incomplete, mortal-skewed, interpretation of something bigger).

It makes more sense to my mind and heart that God would be working with people within the languages and cultures that have arisen around the world and giving his stamp of approval to EVERY GOOD THING that they do that aligns their wills closer to His in whatever degree. I don’t imagine Him tsk-tsking the Muslims for expressing their desire to follow His will by taking a pilgrimage to Mecca or God raising an eyebrow at the Buddhists that attempt to live a life free of base desires by committing to a practice of regular meditation.  I think some of the practices found in other faith traditions might be on par or even better-than our version of “receiving the GoTGH” - but ours is a GOOD thing to do! 


The GoTHG is a way to demonstrate humility and submission to something larger than ourselves, and take on the commitment and responsibility to follow a power bigger than ourselves. I like the dual symbolism of the physical (external) act of baptism bookended with an internal resolve to change our “insides” (the way we see and think before we decide to act). I like the symbolism of the acceptance of the “fire” that accompanies the GoTHG because in many ways it is committing to trials and difficulties that will “burn away our impurities” as we try to walk the path of following a higher, holier, power that will create friction (heat) with our baser natures. 


It’s beautiful symbolism, but it’s not, imo, the “ONLY” or the “BEST” symbolism for the process people follow to make real, deep, commitments to living better lives and changing their hearts. By focusing on/giving a lot of time to the “exclusivity” topic/question we might be missing “the forest for the trees.”

As legitimate counterpoint, I think there might be some good reasons for “exclusivity” being tossed into the mix on these topics. The best I’ve been able to settle on (so far) is that, at certain times throughout history, it was necessary to galvanize people under a united banner of identity to accomplish some of God’s purposes. 


The kind of unity necessary to the task brought with it the less-desirable side-effect of excluding others, but that exclusion was not/is not “doctrinal” to God’s plan. There is a larger discussion to be had here around “identity” in-general including “identity politics” and how that might differ from “identity in religion.” But I’ll save that for later! ;-P

The Good in "Church Culture"

 (Transcript of a talk Thummim gave)

The Good in "Church Culture"

Topic from Bishopric member: “How fellowshipping with other disciples of Christ blesses us individually and collectively”


"Fellowship" Always Leads to Good Feelings?!


The term “fellowship” has been particularly important to me recently because I was recently returned to “full fellowship” in the church after a time period of being “disfellowshipped.” 


So, being allowed to give a talk is a pretty big milestone in that process!


The main question that came to my mind after considering this topic, to be 100% honest and considering my recent experiences feeling somewhat marginalized in the church, was: “Does associating with church members always leave me with a positive ‘blessed’ feeling?” 


My immediate response was “heck no!” - sometimes I feel judged, sometimes ignored, sometimes misunderstood, sometimes disappointed, sometimes frustrated, sometimes bored, sometimes angry, sometimes ashamed, sometimes I’m left feeling like there’s something wrong with me.


There were many awkward, uncomfortable, embarrassing, and offensive experiences while I was disfellowshipped (and after!). One example is when a bishopric member showed up at my house very excited about extending me a new calling and, after he had expressed his vision and how inspired he felt the calling was and extended the invitation, I had to explain my situation. That was a tough one!

Another time, my wife and I had a difficult conversation and she vented her frustrations to her mother (my mother-in-law). My mother-in-law called our bishop who contacted my wife's "ministering sister" (visiting teacher), who then came to our doorstep feeling an "urgency from the Spirit." She then forced her way past me into our house after I'd expressed appreciation for her care, told her it wasn't a good time to visit, and that my wife was safe. After my wife confirmed to this anxious sister that everything was ok, the sister and I had a truly-awkward conversation about how forced-entry into our home was not appropriate.


If you served a mission, I’m sure you can think of that one companion (or in [redacted Bishopric member]’s case his first 3 or 4 companions) that consistently clashed with you.


My internal discussion eventually boiled down in my mind and heart to pinpoint “church culture.” I know the term “church culture” is loaded nowadays and some people hate when it’s used, so I want to briefly define how I’ll be using it: 


To me, simply, "church culture" is the set of practical outcomes that arise from our beliefs - be they “good” or “bad.” 


Using "Church Culture" as More Than a Defense (An Expanded Definition)


The term “church culture” is usually used defensively, as a way to distinguish the purity of church doctrine from the stumbling way we all go about understanding and trying to implement those ideals. D&C 1 speaks of the ideal church, but adds the caveat that the perfectness mentioned is spoken of “collectively and not individually.”


So, when someone is insensitive, or uninformed, or deliberately ignorant, or confrontational, or cliquey, or shaming, or just downright rude. We can ease our own (and any onlookers’) minds by invoking the healing balm of “Oh, that’s just a church culture thing.” Or, if we’re more scripturally inclined, we can quote D&C 1 and say “well the church is only perfect collectively, not individually.” We might even quote Jeffrey R. Holland and say “Imperfect people are all God has ever had to work with. That must be terribly frustrating to Him, but He deals with it. So should we.”


However, I believe “church culture” shouldn’t only be a negative term. There are real, good, healing, helpful, building, educational, and beautiful things that get expressed through our “culture” too! It’s a distorted point of view to think that “church culture” is exclusively negative. 


To be honest, the practical, rubber-meets-the-road, lived “culture” that arises from our doctrines, teachings, history, and scripture, is a pretty mixed bag, especially when it’s piped out through human beings. It would be grossly inaccurate to say that we humans have got this “living the gospel” thing wholly figured out.


Dualism, Opposition, Yin & Yang (Good in the Bad)


So imagine the conundrum of “church culture” represented as the ancient Chinese yin and yang symbol. The white side represents the “good,” the black side the “bad.” They flow into and around each other but, in the main mass of each, the other side is surprisingly-represented by a contrasting dot (the black in the white, and the white in the black) Or the good in the bad and the bad in the good.

The Wikipedia definition of yin and yang is profound: “Yin and yang is the concept of dualism, describing how seemingly opposite or contrary forces may actually be complementary, interconnected, and interdependent in the natural world, and how they may give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another.” Let me re-read that […]


This concept might feel familiar to you if you know Lehi’s words in 2 Nephi: “For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, […] righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility.”


What is helpful to me is to step outside of the strictly black vs. white, good vs. bad, argument and consider what good is in the bad (the bad in the good is a topic for another day...). To find the white dot amidst an apparently black swirl. This expanded perspective can transform what was originally considered as a “bad” experience to become building blocks for learning and growth. I believe this is part of what God was teaching Moroni when he said “I give unto men weaknesses that they may be humble, and if they humble themselves, then will I make weak things become strong.” Sometimes we have to dig around a lot to eventually see the white dot swirling around in an immense black pool, but that digging is part of the solution.


I would like to take this idea of “positive in the negative” one step further and propose that the offense we give and receive, the hurt feelings, the misunderstandings, the boredom, the judgement, the disappointment, in sum “the failures of each of us to live the gospel as it should be lived” is a deliberate and intentional part of the Plan of Salvation. 


A "Feature" Not a "Bug"


How nice it sounds, on the surface, to live in an idyllic paradise where we never hear any ideas that rub us the wrong way or stir up our defensiveness or clash with long-held ideals. Where "time doth softly, sweetly, glide, hate and envy ne’er annoy, roses bloom beneath our feet, all the earth’s a garden sweet, making life a bliss complete" (as one hymn puts it). 


But, where all thoughts and feelings are convergent, there can be no growth. That’s what Lehi just told us. Tension is integral to the whole, without it, the system would fail.


If you’ve ever read Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice, there’s a REASON Elizabeth finds most men boring - they’re so annoyingly... agreeable. Throw a Mr. Darcy in the mix and suddenly every aspect of Elizabeth’s life is MUCH more interesting because of the opposing point of view he introduces.


In fact, the statement about perfectness being applied to “the church collectively and not individually” has this conclusion already implied within it... How can you speak of the perfectness of a whole while disparaging its parts? This is illogical… unless it’s possible that the collective is “perfect” due directly to the “imperfectness” of the individuals… that imperfection is a desired property of the system as-designed


To put it in programming lingo: “It’s a feature not a bug.”


Marriage as a Metaphor for Activity/Fellowship In the Church


The old nursery rhyme says “First comes love, then comes marriage” - but Martin Luther wrote “Marriage is the *school* of love.” Meaning that, what leads us to marriage is usually a poorly conceived, probably naive, shadow of love, and what comes out of the tension of a marriage is the true definition of love. The church and the relationship between its members can be compared in this way to a marriage. Michael Novak, a Catholic writer, wrote about marriage:


“Marriage (aka: Church Membership) is an assault upon the lonely, atomic ego. Marriage is a threat to the solitary indi­vidual. Marriage does impose grueling, humbling, baf­fling, and frustrating responsibilities. Yet if one sup­poses that precisely such things are the preconditions for all true liberation, marriage is not the enemy of moral development in adults. Quite the opposite.


Being married and having children (aka: being active in the church) has impressed on my mind certain lessons, for whose learning I cannot help being grateful. Most are lessons of difficulty and duress. Most of what I am forced to learn about myself is not pleasant. . . . My dignity as a human being depends perhaps more on what sort of husband and parent (aka: a Church member) I am, than on any professional work I am called on to do. My bonds to my family (aka: my church) hold me back from many sorts of opportunities. And yet these do not feel like bonds. They are, I know, my liberation. They force me to be a different sort of human being, in a way in which I want and need to be forced.”


Constructive Tension, Confrontation, & Opposition are Gifts


I’ll end with a few quotes from one of my favorite talks by Eugene England called “Why the church is as true as the gospel:”


“Just before his death, Joseph Smith […] wrote, “By proving con­traries, truth is made manifest.” By “prove” he meant not only to demonstrate logically but to test, to struggle with, and to work out in practical experience. The Church is as true—as ef­fective—as the gospel because it involves us directly in proving contraries, working constructively with the opposi­tions within ourselves and especially between people, strug­gling with paradoxes and polarities at an experiential level…”


“It is in the Church especially that those with the gifts of vulnerability, pain, handicap, need, ignorance, intellectual arrogance, social pride, even prejudice and sin—those Paul calls the members that “seem to be more feeble”—can be accepted, learned from, helped, and made part of the body so that together we can all be blessed. It is there that those of us with the more comely and world-honored gifts of riches and intelligence can learn what we most need—to serve and love and patiently learn from those with other gifts.


But that is very hard for the “rich” and “wise” to do. And that is why those who have one of those dangerous gifts tend to misunderstand and sometimes disparage the Church— which, after all, is made up of the common and unclean, the middle-class, middle-brow, politically unsophisticated, even prejudiced, average members. And we all know how exasper­ating they can be! I am convinced that in the exasperation lies our salvation, if we can let the context that most brings it out—the Church—also be our school for unconditional love.”


Here’s hoping we can expand our definition of what the “blessings” are that arise from "church culture" and the fellowship we share with the wide variety of individuals we rub up against here. As the Psalm says: 


Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Rules of Engagement

 (an email I, Thummim, sent to my therapist with thoughts on having healthy, difficult, conversations. This was after having a session with him and then listening to one of his podcasts.)

Rules of Engagement


Something that “called me out” from listening to your podcast was the idea that demanding a conversation begin a certain way or follow certain rules as prerequisites or “rules of engagement” may have “unhealthy” consequences or contribute to the “dance” of endless frustration in a relationship.


What I heard was that often partner “A” will demand partner “B” show up to a conversation perfectly calm and collected and “rational” with a respectful tone of voice. If those “demands” are not met, then partner A feels justified in withdrawing or disengaging from the conversation. You’ve mentioned that women will often beat themselves up for showing up angry and frustrated when attempting to express themselves to their male partners with self-talk like: “I should have been more respectful, it’s no wonder he reacted the way he did.” You help them see that their response and heated emotions are perfectly normal, because there really ARE things happening in the relationship that ARE frustrating and anger-inciting.


I felt called out because I have made that request multiple times in my relationship. I’ve said: “Can you adjust your tone, I’m feeling like I’m getting a lecture which is making me super defensive.” This ties back to me having a very aggressive mother that would often use a particular tone of voice when scolding/lecturing/disciplining me and others in my family (my attachment history/scars). 


After listening to you mention this exact request/demand as a common thing men do, I’m now reconsidering whether that is “fair” or simply a manifestation of my avoidant tendencies… to want to “escape” any and all uncomfortable feelings rather than “stay engaged” in a conversation.


After our last session, I had a question from the opposite perspective. Hopefully this isn’t just me being defensive and demanding “tit for tat.” But here it is: We shared an occasion where my wife was triggered into a series of difficult memories by something my daughter said. I was unaware of the depth of her experience and pain, but saw her crying when we got home and asked her if there was something on her mind. She responded that she didn’t want to talk about it and needed to sort her feelings out. I took her at her word and gave her some “space.”


Later she shared that she actually wanted me to “stay with it” and draw out what she was feeling and that she took my “withdrawing” as a sign of a lack of care/affection. She also said that she’s afraid of “which version of me” will show up at these conversations, so she does some “water testing” and, if she determines I’m in a non-optimal mood (ie: not as attentive, loving, caring, affectionate, repentant) as she “needs,” then she will defer the conversation to another time. The fact that I didn’t stay engaged to “draw out” what was wrong, was a sign that I was “unsafe” to have the conversation with at the time.


This led to an extended period of “tension” between us until she decided to send me an email listing what was on her mind. I was at work on a particularly busy day and responded quickly to her email rather than taking more time to respond completely (my bad). She, then, took that as another sign of my lack of care / affection because she wanted a more detailed, engaged, email response.


So, the question is: Are these equivalent cases (or classes) of demanding a partner follow specific “rules of engagement?” These both seem, to me, to be examples of someone potentially finding excuses to “fuse” to whatever narrative allows them to escape from the difficult conversation. Are these legit needs that a person can have “boundaries” around and feel entitled to the respect of those boundaries? Is it healthy? Is it productive?



Collected Notes and Thoughts on "Truth" Philosophies/Approaches

(Posted by "Thummim")

TRUTH:

I am the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the father except by me. - John 14:6


And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. - John 8:32


"Jesus says, If you bring forth what's within you, what you bring forth will save you. If not, what you do not bring forth will destroy you." - Gospel of Thomas, Nag Hammadi Library


I don’t think you can manifest who you are without the truth. The truth will set you free, the problem is that it destroys everything that isn’t worthy in you as it sets you free. […] It’s painful because you cling to what you shouldn’t be, partly out of pride, partly out of ignorance, partly out of laziness. […] Everything about you that isn’t worthy is to be put into the flames.

— Jordan B. Peterson


The strength of a person's spirit would then be measured by how much 'truth' he could tolerate, or more precisely, to what extent he needs to have it diluted, disguised, sweetened, muted, falsified.

-Nietzsche


We are not born with maps; we have to make them, and the making requires effort. The more effort we make to appreciate and perceive reality, the larger and more accurate our maps will be. But many do not want to make this effort. Some stop making it by the end of adolescence. Their maps are small and sketchy, their world views narrow and misleading. By the end of middle age most people have given up the effort. They feel certain their maps are complete and the Weltanshauung is correct (indeed, even sacrosanct), and they are no longer interested in new information. It is as if they are tired. Only a relative and fortunate few continue until the moment of death exploring the mystery of reality, ever enlarging and refining their understanding of the world and what is true. […] If our maps are to be accurate we have to continually revise them. […] We are daily bombarded with new information as to the nature of reality. If we are to incorporate this information, we must continually revise our maps, and sometimes when enough new information has accumulated, we must make very major revisions. The process of making revisions, particularly major revisions, is painful, sometimes excruciatingly painful. And herein lies the major source of many of the ills of mankind.

— The Road Less Traveled (Peck)


When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. - 1 Corinthians 13:11


And when we had all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, ‘Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? It is hard for thee to kick against the goads. - Acts 26:14


Misc:

“Truth is what valid reasoning preserves”

Truth problems introduced by language?

Must truth, by definition, be non-contradictive? (Can one person’s “truth” directly contradict with another’s “truth” and their claims both still be considered “truth?” [relativistic truth/joint truth])

How can a proposition be true unless we know it to be true?

Can a theory of truth avoid paradox?


In 1931, Kurt Gödel (1906-1978), in his First Incompleteness Theorem, proved that any classical self-consistent formal language capable of expressing arithmetic must also contain sentences of arithmetic that cannot be derived within that system, and hence that the propositions expressed by those sentences could not be proven true (or false) within that system. Thus the concept of truth transcends the concept of proof in classical formal languages. This is a remarkable, precise insight into the nature of truth.


Other philosophers believe it’s a mistake to say the researchers’ goal is to achieve truth. These “scientific anti-realists” recommend saying that research in, for example, physics, economics, and meteorology, aims only for usefulness. When they aren’t overtly identifying truth with usefulness, the instrumentalists Peirce, James and Schlick take this anti-realist route, as does Kuhn. They would say atomic theory isn’t true or false but rather is useful for predicting outcomes of experiments and for explaining current data. Giere recommends saying science aims for the best available “representation”, in the same sense that maps are representations of the landscape. Maps aren’t true; rather, they fit to a better or worse degree. Similarly, scientific theories are designed to fit the world. Scientists should not aim to create true theories; they should aim to construct theories whose models are representations of the world.


User Interface to a “desktop” - real? Truth? Useful?


Neal Stephenson: “In the beginning was the command line”:

Car “interface” = stick shift and steering wheel. Effectively raw and connected to the “truth” of the necessities of the experience. A “software” interface for driving a car would be less-effective because it would map poorly onto the practical needs of driving.

Our perceptions/senses/sensory organs constitute an “evolved” interface for our environment, but do not, necessarily, represent the “reality” or “truth” of that environment. (Mantis shrimp perceptions vs. humans. The visible light spectrum. Dark Matter/Energy.)


Correspondence Theory:

What we believe or say is true if it corresponds to the way things actually are - to the “facts.”

This pre-supposes existence of “facts” and leads to another, deeper, question: “what is a fact?” And, additionally, how does one perceive a fact/know something is, indeed, a fact?


Coherence Theory:

Truth is one complete whole. Judgements and beliefs are not “truth” but can approach the wholistic truth by the degree of their resemblance to/coherence with the whole.

“A belief is true if and only if it is part of a coherent system of beliefs.” Internal logical consistency.


For example, when a drunk driver says, “There are pink elephants dancing on the highway in front of us”, we assess whether his assertion is true by considering what other beliefs we have already accepted as true, namely:


  • Elephants are gray.
  • This locale is not the habitat of elephants.
  • There is neither a zoo nor a circus anywhere nearby.
  • Severely intoxicated persons have been known to experience hallucinations.

But perhaps the most important reason for rejecting the drunk’s claim is this:

  • Everyone else in the area claims not to see any pink elephants.

In short, the drunk’s claim fails to cohere with a great many other claims that we believe and have good reason not to abandon. We, then, reject the drunk’s claim as being false (and take away the car keys).


Specifically, a Coherence Theory of Truth will claim that a proposition is true if and only if it coheres with ___. For example, one Coherence Theory fills this blank with “the beliefs of the majority of persons in one’s society”. Another fills the blank with “one’s own beliefs”, and yet another fills it with “the beliefs of the intellectuals in one’s society”. The major coherence theories view coherence as requiring at least logical consistency.


Post-modern Coherence Theory:

To the extent that there is an objective reality it is nothing more nor less than what we say it is. We human beings are, then, the ultimate arbiters of what is true. Consensus is truth. The “subjective” and the “objective” are rolled into one inseparable compound.


Social scientists will more easily agree, for example, that the proposition that human beings have a superego is a “construction” of (certain) politically influential psychologists, and that as a result, it is (to be regarded as) true. In contrast, physical scientists are – for the most part – rather unwilling to regard propositions in their own field as somehow merely the product of consensus among eminent physical scientists. They are inclined to believe that the proposition that protons are composed of three quarks is true (or false) depending on whether (or not) it accurately describes an objective reality. They are disinclined to believe that the truth of such a proposition arises out of the pronouncements of eminent physical scientists. In short, physical scientists do not believe that prestige and social influence trump reality.


Pragmatic Theory:

A Pragmatic Theory of Truth holds (roughly) that a proposition is true if it is useful to believe. Utility is the essential mark of truth. Beliefs that lead to the best “payoff”, that are the best justification of our actions, that promote success, are truths.


Problems with pragmatic theory: It may be useful for someone to believe a proposition but also useful for someone else to disbelieve it. For example, Freud said that many people, in order to avoid despair, need to believe there is a god who keeps a watchful eye on everyone. According to one version of the Pragmatic Theory, that proposition is true. However, it may not be useful for other persons to believe that same proposition. They would be crushed if they believed that there is a god who keeps a watchful eye on everyone. Thus, by symmetry of argument, that proposition is false. In this way, the Pragmatic theory leads to a violation of the law of non-contradiction.


Redundancy Theory: 

Truth is a redundant concept, in other words, "truth" is a mere word that is conventional to use in certain contexts of discourse but not a word that points to anything in reality.


Example: It is worthy of notice that the sentence “I smell the scent of violets” has the same content as the sentence “It is true that I smell the scent of violets.” So it seems, then, that nothing is added to the thought by my ascribing to it the property of truth. (Frege, 1918)


Performative Theory:


The Performative Theory of Truth argues that ascribing truth to a proposition is not really characterizing the proposition itself, nor is it saying something redundant. Rather, it is telling us something about the speaker’s intentions. The speaker – through his or her agreeing with it, endorsing it, praising it, accepting it, or perhaps conceding it – is licensing our adoption of (the belief in) the proposition. Instead of saying, “It is true that snow is white”, one could substitute “I embrace the claim that snow is white.” The key idea is that saying of some proposition, P, that it is true is to say in a disguised fashion “I commend P to you”, or “I endorse P”, or something of the sort.


When you say “It is true that Vancouver is north of Sacramento”, you are performing the act of giving your listener license to believe (and to act upon the belief) that Vancouver is north of Sacramento.


Criticism: Arguments have premises that are true or false, but we don’t consider premises to be actions.